# \[Archived\] SubLab XL 1.0.4 Beta - New noise module and more **URL:** \ **Category:** SubLab XL Betas šŸ§°\ **Created:** [January 26, 2023, 6:06pm UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519 "2023-01-26T18:06:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gavin\_FAW](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/gavin_faw/32/291_2.png) [@Gavin\_FAW](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/Gavin_FAW)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 11:24am UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/21 "2023-02-01T11:24:14Z")
I just visited the forum and read ā€œI have a strange bugā€ and video pictureā€¦ šŸ˜ ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/circlesynth/original/1X/144adbd9486351f7b9cfc6c76812825365b9e22a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Aleko](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/aleko/32/1006_2.png) [@Aleko](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/Aleko)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 11:52am UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/22 "2023-02-01T11:52:16Z")
When I play low bass notes I get this light but I donā€™t mind cause I tan and I like it :)) ---
**Author:** ![TORLEY](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/torley/32/320_2.png) [@TORLEY](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/TORLEY)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 11:57am UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/23 "2023-02-01T11:57:06Z")
That makes me feel like SubBass XL needs a lens flare/bling mode when youā€™re really rollinā€™ with those subs! šŸ’ŽšŸŽ @Aleko 's already thinking into the future! ---
**Author:** ![Aleko](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/aleko/32/1006_2.png) [@Aleko](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/Aleko)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 11:59am UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/24 "2023-02-01T11:59:02Z")
And while we speak about the future pleaaaaaaaaase Gavin make Circle native m1! Will send more bugs like this I promise :=) ---
**Author:** ![Adamate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f08c70/32.png) [@Adamate](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/Adamate)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 12:51pm UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/25 "2023-02-01T12:51:51Z")
Good feedback. šŸ‘ Random preset would be useful, but especially randomize for individual sections (per-FX, sample, synth, X-Sub, random sample [preserve other sample settings] etc. Global randomize can be great too, particularly with a modifier key which subtly randomizes for creating variations of an existing preset. ---
**Author:** ![TORLEY](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/torley/32/320_2.png) [@TORLEY](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/TORLEY)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2023, 10:39am UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/26 "2023-02-02T10:39:22Z")
@Adamate YES PLEASE! Iā€™ve suggested similar things before too, and you bringing it up makes it a good time for me to echo what youā€™re saying! A well-done randomizer (with some ā€œintelligenceā€ so it doesnā€™t go unusably off the rails") is a FANTASTIC creativity stimulator. When we can make more variations on a theme so easily, it benefits those who donā€™t consider themselves full-on ā€œsound programmers/designersā€ but might be JUST the tweaks needed for a track-in-progress ā€” without losing momentum! Even a ā€œselect a random patch from all the presetsā€ button šŸŽ² empowers us to discover more of the list, and not have to be biased by alphabetical order. This gets more valuable, the more sub packs you get. ---
**Author:** ![Julia](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/julia/32/981_2.png) [@Julia](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/Julia)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2023, 12:52pm UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/27 "2023-02-03T12:52:28Z")
When launching SubLab XL inside my DAW (Ableton) and the standalone app Iā€™m seeing ā€œpowered by Juceā€ with the Juce logo on the bottom right corner of the GUI momentarily before the interface loads: ![JUCE-bug](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/circlesynth/original/1X/1f3c448a397b0899812e0b4e5012f7b6c0425fea.gif) ---
**Author:** ![TORLEY](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/torley/32/320_2.png) [@TORLEY](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/TORLEY)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 11:31am UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/28 "2023-02-06T11:31:47Z")
It appears that automation unnecessarily floods the undo buffer. This makes it very hard to undo parameter changes, and makes the macro knobs less convenient. Repro: - Add a new instance of SubLabXL. - This doesnā€™t seem preset specific, but Iā€™m able to easily repro it with Analog Moog XL. - Start recording (Iā€™m in Ableton Live Beta 11) and move the A and B macros around a lot with automation on. - Keep recording several clips with automation like that. One after another. - Now in Ableton, go to Edit menu \> Undo several times. OBSERVE: not only are the Macro A and B knob automation captured, it also captures the movements of specific parameters mapped to the macros so thereā€™s a lot of redundancy. EXPECTED: automation should be captured cleanly, so you donā€™t have to keep hitting Undo. This is what I see on that patch, after JUST moving macroA and macroB: ![Screen Shot 2023-02-06 at 3.30.19 AM](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/circlesynth/original/1X/2407cd63845c614fe12898d44d7e3228b83d0595.png) ---
**Author:** ![Tsavness](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/tsavness/32/911_2.png) [@Tsavness](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/Tsavness)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2023, 4:06pm UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/29 "2023-02-06T16:06:22Z")
![06.02.2023_17.58.39_REC](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/circlesynth/original/1X/379bd44f5ff5bc627f7a3617f931f19b36222a7c.png) ![06.02.2023_17.58.23_REC](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/circlesynth/original/1X/71027e2330763d272a4dda15f615a210c1cb0cde.png) ![06.02.2023_17.59.35_REC](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/circlesynth/original/1X/d71ed1c1cf4f22bc63dcb47bf31f68c1859dd60c.png) ![06.02.2023_17.59.05_REC](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/circlesynth/original/1X/d86af5f536542528c92f9440d5b364e1e7e075d6.png) This is not true in Bitwig. It does give me the Marco A and B option to automate. When i undo, it does undo one action and that is the recording. Seems like the problem is from Abletons side. Edit: If i am not mistaken you can save a preset in Ableton creating a rack and bypass this behavior by creating knobs for Macro A and B. I havent been used Ableton in ages so dont take my words guarantee. ---
**Author:** ![TORLEY](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/torley/32/320_2.png) [@TORLEY](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/TORLEY)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 12:48pm UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/30 "2023-02-07T12:48:17Z")
Thanks for checking that out! I notice the undo buffer gets cluttered very visibly AS SOON as I move Macro A/B and I see additional parameters being added. INTRIGUINGLY what you pointed out presents a workaround: - Add instance of SubLabXL - Click Configure - Drag Macro A and Macro B knobs - DELETE the additional parameters being recorded - Right-click and Group so itā€™s a rack - Map Macro A and Macro B to two rack knobs. - Save this for use later. I have yet to test more, but this might be viable. One drawback though, is rack macros override any native plugin values, so I must control the macros using the rack, rather than SubLab XLā€™s colorful Macros page with the animated orb. Thus, preset macro values arenā€™t respected. But, for my purposes, this is alrightā€¦ wonder who else feels similarly/different? ---
**Author:** ![Tsavness](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/tsavness/32/911_2.png) [@Tsavness](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/Tsavness)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/31 "2023-02-07T13:47:52Z")
Yeah it gets cluttered because its a multi-action knob, so the undo button gets busy. But what do you mean about not respecting the values? Could you elaborate on this? ---
**Author:** ![Gavin\_FAW](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/gavin_faw/32/291_2.png) [@Gavin\_FAW](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/Gavin_FAW)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 8:27pm UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/32 "2023-02-07T20:27:14Z")
Ok, weā€™ve this one @rrahim šŸ‘ ---
**Author:** ![Gavin\_FAW](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/gavin_faw/32/291_2.png) [@Gavin\_FAW](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/Gavin_FAW)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/33 "2023-02-07T20:29:39Z")
> [@Tsavness](#): > > s give me the Marco A and B option to automate. When i undo, it Yes, the macro will set the parameter values which in turn will notify the daw that they have changed, hence the extra automation. When you mouse down on a parameter control and before you move the mouse, the DAW is notifiedā€¦probably what is happening in Bitwig is that they take this message as notification to stop recording automation from anywhere else. ---
**Author:** ![TORLEY](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/torley/32/320_2.png) [@TORLEY](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/TORLEY)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 10:43am UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/34 "2023-02-08T10:43:40Z")
@Tsavness Re: ā€œnot respecting the valuesā€ā€¦ in Ableton, itā€™s been a known limitation for awhile that: - If you assign an Ableton rack macro knob to a pluginā€™s parameter, then change the parameter value INSIDE the plugin GUI, it does not move the macro knob. - Then if you save, close and reopen the projectā€¦ the rack knob value will be recalled instead. In other words, once you make an Ableton Rack, its own native macro knobs take precedence, it isnā€™t bi-directional communication. Try it and see! @Gavin_FAW Yeah thatā€™s what Iā€™m observing. Usually in a plugin where there it has its own macro control, I expect it to not send the ā€œextra automationā€. One subtlety to this, which your wording and Tsavnessā€™ idea clued me into: if I go into Configure mode in Ableton and just CLICK Macro A/B, then it only recognizes those parameters. Itā€™s only if I start moving the knob values do I see the extra automation. So itā€™s still an issue if Automation Arm is enabled in Ableton, but at least thereā€™s a workaround. ![2023-02-08 02.51.16](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/circlesynth/original/1X/5693286e4c16ed4550dd3fe443c384b48e6da681.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Gavin\_FAW](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/gavin_faw/32/291_2.png) [@Gavin\_FAW](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/Gavin_FAW)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/35 "2023-02-08T19:13:31Z")
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**Author:** ![Julia](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/community.futureaudioworkshop.com/julia/32/981_2.png) [@Julia](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/u/Julia)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2025, 12:06pm UTC](https://community.futureaudioworkshop.com/t/archived-sublab-xl-1-0-4-beta-new-noise-module-and-more/1519/36 "2025-12-04T12:06:21Z")
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